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Christianus Waltherus de Groot voor 1700 Nuenen,NB

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  • T. van der B24 jul 2024, 16:39

    Christianus Walteri de Groot
    Geboren circa 1670 - Gerwen

    Ouders
    Walterus Janssen de Groot 1634-1687
    Maria Jacobs Gerit van Cappel found on geneanet

  • T. van der B.24 jul 2024, 16:44

    Walterus Janssen de Groot
    Gedoopt 13 december - Gerwen
    Overleden 26 mei 1687 - Nuenen
    Ouders
    Joannes (Joannes) Dirx de Groot
    Joanna Petri van Seelant

    Relaties, kinderen, kleinkinderen en achterkleinkinderen
    Gehuwd 10 januari 1659 Nederwetten, met Jenneke Sijmon Niclaessen
    also found on geneanet (always control)

  • fbax.​caVraagsteller24 jul 2024, 17:35

    Is it possible that data on geneanet is not correct? On geneanet.nl and genealogieonline.nl I found this family several times with some variations.

    Walterus Janssen de Groot was married three (maybe four or five) times:
    10-jan-1659 Nederwetten, met Jenneke Sijmon Niclaessen (cannot find this akte).
    21-nov-1666 Nuenen, met Jenneken Dircx, wed van Jenneken Heymis
    07-apr-1669 Nuenen, met Maria Jacobs G van Cappel, wed van Jenneken Dircx
    03-feb-1675 Nuenen, met Joanna Blockmans (no mention of prior marriages)
    There are several baptisms between 1677 and 1687 in Nuenen; children of Walterus Joannes de Groot and Joanna Henricus. Some webpages say Joanna Blockmans and Joanna Henricus are the same woman; but I found "15-feb-1677 burial Maria, echtgenoot van Walterus" which suggests that Joanna Blockmans and Joanna Henricus are different persons.

    Christianus was married in 1701; "geboren circa 1670" suggests he was 29 yrs old. If he was 25 yrs old; then he was born about 1676 and his mother was Joanna Blockmans.
    Since no prior wives are mentioned for 1675 marriage; it is possible this marriage is a different Walterus de Groot?

  • Frans4 aug 2024, 12:01

    Wouter de Groot was indeed four times married. See “Schepenbank Nuenen-Gerwen, 1522-1810; inv.nr. 53, folio 153r”, datum (date) 29-3-1703
    Scheiding en deling tussen de kinderen van Wouter de Groot, bij Jenneke Eijmens, zijn eerste huisvrouw (his first wife), Maria Jacobs van Capellen, derde vrouw (third wife), en Jenneken, dochter van Hendrik Goorts, vierde vrouw (fourth wife).
    See also folio 155v.

    Note: his second wife is not mentioned, because (I think) there are no (living) children from his second wife.

  • Frans5 aug 2024, 09:56

    A question for Frank Bax.
    Can you read Dutch?
    And do you know the use of “patronymen” (fathersnames) in The Netherlands befor about the year 1800?
    The same person named first in a source as “Wouter Jan Dircx de Groot”, but the second time as “Wouter Jan Jan Dircx de Groot”.
    This makes your research a little bit difficult to know “who is who”.

  • Peter van de Laar5 aug 2024, 14:14

    Jean Coenen in "Gegeven Sint-Barbaradag 1300" (pag. 104):
    In 1618 verklaarde de Gerwense schepen Jan Jan Diercx, toen 36 jaar oud, dat hij met zijn vader op de hoeve van de Heilige Geest van Den Bosch had gewoond. (SRE, Nuenen ORA 27 fol 42v, 10 mei 1618), Die vader was Jan Dirck Thijssen. De later familienaam van deze pachters was De Groot.

  • fbax.​caVraagsteller8 aug 2024, 01:53

    @Frans, reading Dutch is not easy for me; the "Schepenbank" records are especially difficult.
    I understand “patronymen”.

  • Frans11 aug 2024, 13:29

    Correction and supplement.

    Correction: Schepenbank Nuenen-Gerwen, 1522-1810; inv.nr. 53 must be inv.nr. 35.

    Supplement on the same inv.nr. 35 and folionr. 153r:
    Children of Wouter de Groot and his first wife, Jenneke Eijmens, are:
    1. Maria, husband is Peter Jaspers Rooijackers; their children are minor in 1703
    2. Lijsken (Elisabeth), husband is Dirck Janssen Deckers; their children are minor in 1703
    Children of Wouter de Groot and his third wife, Maria Jacobs van Capellen, are:
    1. Jacob
    2. Christiaan
    Children of Wouter de Groot and his fourth wife, Jenneken, dochter van Henrick Goorts, are:
    Not mentioned by name, but are all minor in 1703.

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