1823 Huwelijksbijlagen Soerendonk

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fbax.ca21 mrt 2025, 02:13

wiewaswie.nl/nl/detail/72340684 (opent in een nieuw tabblad)
Bruidegom: Henricus Groenen, geb te Soerendonk;
zoon van Henricus Groenen en Henrica Evers.
Bruid: Henrica Dielis, geb te Leende;
dochter van Henricus Dielis en Wilhelma Klerx.

familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:9398-LR62-H (opent in een nieuw tabblad)
a) 1803-jan-03 ged Henrica Dielis [bruid]
b) 1795-jul-15 ged Henricus Groenen [bruidegom]
c) 1808-feb-17 ovl Henricus Groenen [vader van bruidegom]
d) 1814-feb-24 ovl Hendrina Evers [moeder van bruidegom]
e) 1810-jul-26 ovl Wilhelma Klerx [moeder van bruid]
f) Nationale Militie
g) 1795-jun-10 ovl Jan Groenen [vader van vader van bruidegom]
h) 1795-feb-27 ovl Marie Jan Boelen (geb Vrijssen)
i) 1791-apr-25 ovl Henrica Evers
j) 1784-nov-26 ovl Jan Evers [vader van bruid]

My work is here (with links to sources):
werelate.org/wiki/Family:Henricus_Groenen_and_Hendrina_Evers_%281%29 (opent in een nieuw tabblad)

Comments:
h) 1795-feb-27 ovl Marie Jan Boelen (geb Vrijssen)
The extract has "(geb Vrijssen)" but on the original it has "van der lith". do I read this correctly?
wiewaswie.nl/nl/detail/70147348 (opent in een nieuw tabblad)
The same death in another book has Maria, wife of Jan Groenen
wiewaswie.nl/nl/detail/70160112 (opent in een nieuw tabblad)
I call this person "Anna Maria ven der Lith"; paternal grandmother of groom; never is she called "Boelens".
i) 1791-apr-25 ovl Henrica Evers
I think this must be maternal grandmother of groom. She is called
Henrica Vrijssen/Fressen when her children are baptised.
I cannot find the original for this extract; but I did find
wiewaswie.nl/nl/detail/70001009 (opent in een nieuw tabblad)
28-04-1791 ovl Hendriena Ambrozius, huisvrouw van Jan Evers.

Some questions...
Am I correct in thinking "geb Vrijssen" was written/added to the wrong extract?
Can anyone find the original of 25-apr-1791 death extract (Henrica Evers)?
Am I correct in thinking Henrica Evers is same person as Henrica Vrijssen?

Thank you for your time,
met vriendelijke groet,
Frank

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Bram21 mrt 2025, 08:33
I agree that this is the wedding of the parents 06-jul-1783:

Bruidegom: Hendrik Groen, geboren te Someren, wonende te Maarheeze
Bruid: Henderina Eevers, geboren te Soerendonk, wonende te Soerendonk

so, your are correct, Hendrik Groen(en) has to be searched for in Someren.

There is only one Hendrik Groenen in Someren that I can find, who is born july 11th, 1757 in Someren as child of Johannes Antonius Groenen and Maria Godefridus van de Lith (openarchieven.nl/bhi:3a73ccba-ef7f-3e28-4899-0267cde011de (opent in een nieuw tabblad))

On February 2nd, 1795 Maria wife of Joannes Groenen has been burried
And Joannes Groenen died June 8th, 1795 and was burried two days later

Based on this, I am unsure if the burial registered on the 27th of February 1795 is correct, it reads Marie Jan Doelen van der Lit (van der Lit has been added later). I do not think it is related and I would stick to the registration on February 2nd.

Question: where do you get the Anna Maria? I only see her registered as Maria
fbax.caVraagsteller21 mrt 2025, 10:51
I cannot find burial 02-feb-1795 of Maria wife of Joannes Groenen; only 24-feb-1795 mentioned above.
wiewaswie.nl/nl/detail/70160112 (opent in een nieuw tabblad)

Now I don't know where "Anna Maria" van der Lith came from; I see she is always called Maria or Maria Godefridi or Marie Jan Goort.
Bram22 mrt 2025, 10:33
sorry, my mistake. You are correct it is 24-feb-1795. Then the entry from the 27th must be correct. I had a closer look and also found the entry for 28-feb-1752, where Johannes Antonius Dolen is mentioned instead of Groenen. So that would match the entry in the burial registry
Egbert22 mrt 2025, 14:56
Antonij Jan Groenen owned a house in Someren called "de Dooleman". People who lived in that house were called "in de Doel" or "van Doel".
Jeanne123 mrt 2025, 15:19
@Frank: You asked: "Is Henrica the same person as Henrica Vrijssen.
I think she is!

4-6-1720 Baptism Maarheeze: Henrica Ambrosis, daughter of Laurentius Ambrosis and Oda Driessen. Vrijs/Fres is the popular name for Laurentius!

27-4-1749 Marriage Henrica Vreijssen and Joannes Evers.

25-4-1791 Death Henrica Evers?

28-4-1791 Funeral Hendriena Ambrozius, huisvrouw van Jan Evers.
fbax.caVraagsteller26 mrt 2025, 19:34
Thank you Bram, Egbert and Jeanne1.

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