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Lucas de Mombers / Momboirs of Boxtel: parents identified as Gerit die Momber and Eva, daughter of Gerit, rentmeester of Boxtel

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Steve Barnhoorn

I have been trying to establish the parentage of Lucas de Mombers / Lucas Momboirs of Boxtel, father of Jan, Aert/Arnold and Machteld.

In the local Boxtel schepen protocols, he is already wijlen from 1469. A Gerits patronymic already looked likely because of Meeus Gerits de Momboir.

The same family also appears in the ’s-Hertogenbosch protocols (BP), which routinely include Boxtel persons and holdings. Those earlier BP entries name Lucas explicitly as a son of Gerit.

Corrections and additions welcome.

1. Local Boxtel schepenbank: Lucas’s children and the later Momboirs

RA Boxtel, inv. no. 55 (1465–1485):

fol. 25v, 1469 (Exaltation of the Cross): sale to Aerden, lawful son of the late Lucas Momboirs, land under Lenneshoevel on Ladonck. Witness Jan Lucas.

fol. 42bis-r, 6 June 1470: Meeus Gerits de Momboir transfers the dyke voor de Aa-dijk.

fol. 43bis-v, 1470: sale to Jan Lucas Momboirs, onze medeschepen, of the Kerkbrake under Tongeren; adjoining Machtelt, daughter of Lucas Momboirs, and Aert Lucas M[omboirs].

fol. 44v, 4 July 1470: Meeus de Momboir de oude waives claims. Witness Jan die Momboir.

fol. 49v, 1470: Meeuws de Momboir de oude, debt acknowledgement.

fol. 60r, 5 Dec. 1470: adjoining Machteld, daughter of the late Lucas Momboirs.

fol. 109r, 21 Feb. 1472: Meeus de Momboir de oudste sells to Jan Elias van Lucel and Aert Lucas Momboirs two hoefkens on the Dommel / Coppellen (Katarina van Drongelen / kerkfabriek).

fol. 118v, 1472: sale to Gerit, son of Bartholomeus Momboirs.

fol. 136r, 1473: Geertruijt (van Drongelen), widow of Bartholomeus Momboirs, with heer Willem, Gherit, Willem, Meeus and Herman, children of Bartholomeus, sell to Aerden, son of the late Lucas Momboirs, meadow at Elsbroeck.

fol. 148v, 14 June 1473: churchwardens Jan Elias van Lucel and Aert de Momboir; schepenbrief of Bartholomeus de Momboir de oudste for those same hoefkens.

fol. 172v, 1474: Aert Lucas de Momboir sells to his brother Jan under Tongeren.

fol. 190r, 7 March 1475: sale to Jan, son of the late Lucas Momboirs.

fol. 213v, 1476: Jan, son of Lucas Momboirs, rye rent.

fol. 238v, 26 March 1477: Aert sells to brother Jan his share from the partition with Jan and sister Machteld on Oetendonck.

fol. 239v, 30 April 1477: adjoining Mechteld, daughter of the late Lucas Momboirs.

fol. 254v, 1478: adjoining Aert and Jan Momboirs as brothers.

fol. 289v, 1480: Aert, son of Lucas Momboirs, sells Kerckbrake at Tongeren to brother Jan.

fol. 330v, 1481: Meeus de Momboir transfers Croonenborch rights to Aerden Lucas Momboirs, being his neef. Witnesses Jan Elias and Jan Lucas.

RA Boxtel, inv. no. 56 (1482–1493):

fol. 27v: Aert, son of the late Lucas de Momber, from the will of his wife Remijs, daughter of the late Jan Brants, sells to brother Jan.

fol. 63v: house at Lennishovel formerly of Meeus Gerits de Momber zaliger.

fol. 70r: land bought from Jan, son of the late Lucas Mombers (Boxtel letter 10 Oct. 1476).

Local-bank picture: Lucas † before 1469; children Jan, Aert (m. Remijs Jan Brants) and Machteld. Meeus Gerits / Bartholomeus de oudste belongs to the same kin group. In 1481 Aert Lucas is neef of a Meeus.

2. ’s-Hertogenbosch protocols (covering Boxtel): Lucas as son of Gerit

These BP entries concern the same Boxtel / Mulsel holding and the same family.

BP 1194 (old 21), 1423–1424:
fol. 61v (A), 22 Jan. 1424, Mulsen:

Gerit die Momber × Eva, daughter of the late Gerit, rentmeester of Bucstel, and his sons Peter and Meeus.

fol. 61v (B), same day: Henrick and Lucas, minor sons of Gerit die Momber.

BP 1197 (old 24), 1425–1428:
fols. 367v–368, Mulsel: Meeus, son of the late Gerit die Momber; Peter and Henrick, sons of the late Gerit; Gerit, Lucas and Beel, children of the late Gerit die Momber.

Gerit sr. therefore died between 22 Jan. 1424 and this volume.

BP 1199 (old 25), Oct. 1428–1429:
fol. 115: Peter die Momber, son of the late Gerit, and his brothers Henrick and Lucas.

BP 1200 (old 26), Oct. 1429–1430:
fol. 4v: Peter Geritss die Mombair; Meeus, Henrick, Lucas and Gerit, sons of the late Gerit die Mombair.

BP 1201 (old 27), Oct. 1430–Sept. 1431:
fol. 234: Peter, son of the late Gerit Mombers, and his brothers Gerit, Meeus, Henrick and Lucas.

BP 1202 (old 28), Oct. 1431–Sept. 1432:
fol. 122v: Lucas Gerit Mombers, Peter Gerit Mombers and their brother Meeus die Momber.

BP 1207 (old 33), 1436–1437:
fol. 86: Meeis die Momber, son of the late Gerit.

BP 1208 (old 34), 1437–1438:
fol. 37v: Meeus die Momber, son of the late Gerit (with Elyas son of Jan van Lucel — the same Lucel connection as in the later Boxtel bank).

BP 1212 (old 38), 1441–1442:
fol. 97: Claes Clynckart, husband of Beel, daughter of the late Gerit die Momber; Meeus, son of the late Gerit.

fol. 175v, 29 May 1442: Meeus die Momber, son of the late Gerit (fishery).

BP 1243 (old 69), Oct. 1473–Sept. 1474:
fol. 142v, 16 June 1474: heer Willem, priest, Meeus and Heyman, children of the late Meeus die Mombaer, give to Brien vanden Velde, husband of jonkvrouw Aleit Meeus die Mombaer, a farm in Mulsel as marriage portion.

That Mulsel farm is the 1424 holding. The 1474 children match Boxtel (widow Geertruijt van Drongelen and the children of Bartholomeus Momboirs). Heyman = Herman.

3. Pedigree:

Gerit, rentmeester of Boxtel
└── Eva
m. Gerit die Momber († 1424×1428)
├── Peter Gerits
├── Meeus / Bartholomeus Gerits (de oude / de oudste, † c. 1472/73)
│ m. Geertruijt van Drongelen
│ ├── heer Willem, priest
│ ├── Gherit
│ ├── Willem
│ ├── Meeus (neef of Aert Lucas, RA Boxtel, inv. nr. 55, fol. 330v, 1481)
│ ├── Heyman / Herman
│ └── Aleit m. Brien vanden Velde
├── Henrick Gerits
├── Gerit Gerits
├── Lucas Gerits de Mombers († before 1469)
│ ├── Jan m. Conegont de jonge van Lucel
│ ├── Aert / Arnold m. Remijs Jan Brants
│ └── Machteld
└── Beel m. Claes Clinckart

So the man called wijlen Lucas Momboirs in the Boxtel bank is the Lucas Gerit Mombers who was still a minor at Boxtel/Mulsel on 22 January 1424. The 1481 neef is then a first cousin: Aert son of Lucas Gerits, Meeus son of Meeus Gerits.

4. Still open

* further identification of Eva’s father, Gerit, rentmeester of Boxtel.
*any extra child of Lucas besides Jan, Aert and Machteld.
* identification of the wife of Lucas Gerit Mombers.

If anyone has pre-1424 BP entries or Boxtel cijns/rentmeester material for Gerit die Momber, I would be grateful.

Regards,

Steve Barnhoorn

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  • Steve Barnhoorn4 sep 2026, 08:16

    Gerit, rentmeester of Boxtel — father of Eva, wife of Gerit die Momber — found

    On 22 January 1424 (BP 1194, fol. 61v, Mulsel) Gerit die Momber appears with his wife Eva, daughter of the late Gerit, rentmeester of Boxtel, their sons Peter and Meeus, and the minors Henrick and Lucas.

    That rentmeester is named twenty years earlier, in the same protocol series:

    BP 1183, fol. 313v — Friday 2 May 1404:
    Theodericus Rover, son of the late knight Johannes Rover, and his son Willelmus promise Gerardus den rentmeester van Boxstel, ad opus domini de Boxstel, 400 new Gelders guilders by Christmas 1404.

    Gerardus (Gerit) is taking the bond for the lord of Boxtel. That is the steward. He is alive 2 May 1404 and dead before 22 January 1424. Eva’s father is that man.

    If anyone has a rekening or protocol 1390–1423 that adds a patronymic, a wife, or another child of this rentmeester, I would be glad of the citation.

    Regards,

    Steve Barnhoorn

  • Albert4 sep 2026, 12:13

    Hello Steve,

    I found this (look at the name Meeus and Beel...):

    nat.zoon
    Gerit heer Gerit van Bucstel, † voor … 1411, vermeld vanaf 1370,
    X voor 2-12-1382 joffr. Liesbeth van Beke, dr. van Bartholomeus van Beke († 1371) en Beel [van Erpe] , † voor … 1419.

    bhic.nl/onderzoeken/forum/gerardus-van-duppe?utm_source=chatgpt.com (opent in een nieuw tabblad)

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